Sasha Luccioni: Connecting the Dots Between AI's Environmental and Social Impacts

In episode 120 of The Gradient Podcast, Daniel Bashir speaks to Sasha Luccioni.

Sasha is the AI and Climate Lead at HuggingFace, where she spearheads research, consulting, and capacity-building to elevate the sustainability of AI systems. A founding member of Climate Change AI (CCAI) and a board member of Women in Machine Learning (WiML), Sasha is passionate about catalyzing impactful change, organizing events and serving as a mentor to under-represented minorities within the AI community.

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Outline:

• (00:00) Intro

• (00:43) Sasha’s background

• (01:52) How Sasha became interested in sociotechnical work

• (03:08) Larger models and theory of change for AI/climate work

• (07:18) Quantifying emissions for ML systems

  • (09:40) Aggregate inference vs training costs

  • (10:22) Hardware and data center locations

  • (15:10) More efficient hardware vs. bigger models — Jevons paradox

  • (17:55) Uninformative experiments, takeaways for individual scientists, knowledge sharing, failure reports

• (27:10) Power Hungry Processing: systematic comparisons of ongoing inference costs

  • (28:22) General vs. task-specific models

  • (31:20) Architectures and efficiency

  • (33:45) Sequence-to-sequence architectures vs. decoder-only

  • (36:35) Hardware efficiency/utilization

• (37:52) Estimating the carbon footprint of Bloom and lifecycle assessment

• (40:50) Stable Bias

  • (46:45) Understanding model biases and representations

  • (52:07) Future work

• (53:45) Metaethical perspectives on benchmarking for AI ethics

  • (54:30) “Moral benchmarks”

  • (56:50) Reflecting on “ethicality” of systems

  • (59:00) Transparency and ethics

• (1:00:05) Advice for picking research directions

• (1:02:58) Outro

Links:

• Sasha’s homepage and Twitter

• Papers read/discussed

  • Climate Change / Carbon Emissions of AI Models

    • Quantifying the Carbon Emissions of Machine Learning

    • Power Hungry Processing: Watts Driving the Cost of AI Deployment?

    • Tackling Climate Change with Machine Learning

    • CodeCarbon

  • Responsible AI

    • Stable Bias: Analyzing Societal Representations in Diffusion Models

    • Metaethical Perspectives on ‘Benchmarking’ AI Ethics

    • Measuring Data

    • Mind your Language (Model): Fact-Checking LLMs and their Role in NLP Research and Practice